Waste of a good iem imo Dont quite get the logic of that! I don’t wear sneakers often and don’t really need the cloudform insole so I’m keeping them. Mens size 12 shoe tongues touch the top bars just so people know. Excellent quality and walked over two miles over a rocky trail along the beach. They have very good highs and lows and excellent mids. The detail and sound this produces is fantastic. We thought they were black but they are a dark blue and they fit perfectly so she happy and so am I. Beautiful comfortable slippers but I’m returning them because they are too large Good Sound - Very comfortable - Glad I bought 2 pair.