Definitely going thru chaco directly in the future. These are the best IEMs Ive ever owned. I decided to order this in a size 10 and it is perfect. Havent personally tested this out but it appears to be strong enough. Zudem muss man die Flasche mit einem Spanngurt sichern, sonst springt sie heraus. So I returned them and am still looking for some good, cheap, comfortable, and reliable earbuds on Amazon which is so complicated and time consuming. This protective pad is incredibly thick in diameter and therefore depending on the level of protection you want can be a pro or con. Decepcionada. Its pretty cool, but it doesnt really hold my bike any sturdier than a regular kickstand (read the first comment to see how I might have made it work better. Bought for temporary but heavy duty use.