Theres been lots of snow and ice and while these shoes are great on pavement and other surfaces, they can be a bit slick on ice. Installed on my yukon in about 5 min. Wow, such a small product and such a huge difference in my music experience. 5 M and they fit perfect. Note, this is using the provide selection of earbud tips. I loved how light and breathable it was. Basically, I was having an extremely hard time deciding between the velour and pleather options. There is no bending or instability in the stand with the headphones on the stand (I’m using a SteelSeries Arctis 5 RGB). Price is good, so will try different size. I gave them a few tries on different days and only one workout were they even usable.