These are horribly bendy and have tiny bits of cotton on the ends compared to what Im used to. Product is great for running , jogging,walking or just casual indestreet music listener. it has the brightest and widest soundstage among all of my iems. Someone who doesn’t know any better might think it’s tight enough and it just isn’t, next thing they know their phone is lost somewhere on the interstate and broken. The packaging looks as if from a high end store. Solid cable and plugs/sockets. (a little is okay, but a heavy rain and they wont stay on). I dont see any reason to buy this phone. I wear them without socks when Im wearing shorts - comfortable without socks unlike other shoes where it feels sweaty. Zombies on a train.