Other than that, they seem durable so far. So, in the interest of color diversification, I bought a couple of these in the same size 8. Ive always worn Sketchers, but this particular shoe is peeling. Appearance wise looks good on my grey rav4. A lot goes into precision though, including mouse feet, mouse shape and even click force required. Comfortable, fits very well but very expensive when compared to other brands. They have a good sole in them, not super thick, but moderate and they have not deteriorated with wear so far. Could be worn with smart or casual outfits. I admit to be somewhat surprised. Learning how to use the configuration in powerful, automated, and intelligent ways will probably take time.